Dr. Taryn Marie is uniquely focused on enhancing resilience in leadership* and in life, to allow people to bring out the best of themselves each day. She is the author of “Flourish or Fold: The Five Practices of Particularly Resilient People”, which is expected to release as a book in 2020. She is the former Head of Executive Leadership Development at Nike, Global Leadership Development at Cigna, and founded her own company, Resilience Leadership, where she serves as the Chief Resilience Officer (CRO). She is also a co-founder of Resilience Element 75 (RE75), focused on making resilience accessible to the world through film and wearable technology as well as a co-founder and Chief Operating Officer (COO) of Elevated Science, a newly founded AI communication platform focused on bringing hope and healing to the planet through sharing information and empirical research on widely-used plant-based and alternative medicines that have been less of misunderstood.
Her research and thought leadership have been showcased in publications such as Thrive Global, Women’s Daily Magazine, Elucid, Medium, on television broadcasts, such as NBC, and for apps such as Happify and eMindful. Dr. Taryn will be featured in the upcoming documentary, Breaking Free, focused on living a resilient life, also scheduled for release in 2020, and is a sought-after agent-represented international inspirational keynote speaker.
Katie (00:00):
Hi everyone. Thank you for tuning in to the Hustlenomics podcast. I’m your host Katie, and today I am so excited to be talking with Dr. Taryn Marie. She is recognized as a foremost international expert on leadership development, coaching and resilience in the face of challenge, complexity and change. She is the founder and chief resilience officer of resilience leadership. So Dr. Taryn Marie, thank you so much for coming on the show today.
Dr. Taryn Marie (00:23):
Oh my gosh, it is so my pleasure to be here.
Katie (00:26):
So I gave a little intro for you there, but I would love to go a little bit more in depth, learn more about your background and how you kind of got to where you are today.
Dr. Taryn Marie (00:35):
Yeah, absolutely. Well, there’s, there’s so much to share, but you know, I think the high level is probably, you know, over a decade ago I became really interested in resilience primarily for two reasons. The first reason was I was working as a neuropsychologist and a neuropsychology fellowship and we saw people that had sustained brain injuries and spinal cord injuries coming into the ER and into the intensive care unit. The ICU and we would look at a couple of different factors to determine their prognosis. And of course this is a really important time when we need to give people the most accurate information. Family members, you know, the individuals themselves so they can understand the nature of their, of the injury and what’s going to happen going forward. And what we saw in those moments you know, when we shared that prognosis with people was it was really inconsistent with what we were seeing in our outpatient clinic over time.
Dr. Taryn Marie (01:38):
Meaning that more often than not, our prognosis was inaccurate. People would do better than we thought and their rehabilitation and regained all of this functioning. And then sometimes we thought, you know, it was going to be a home run in terms of someone’s rehabilitation after a brain injury or a spinal cord injury. And we’d see them in our outpatient clinic and they wouldn’t be doing as well as we thought. And so, you know, that was like a real puzzler, right. You know, what’s, what’s going on. And you know, my team and I were really not content to not, to not know the nature of this. And we wanted to provide the most accurate information for people possible in those tender and, and uncertain moments. And so, because I was an act at an academic teaching hospital, we had all kinds of data on, on the patients and we looked at, you know, did they live in a rural and in a rural environment or you know, kind of in the city and you know, where there’s small children in the home and, and where they married were they not married, right?
Dr. Taryn Marie (02:36):
Like all these things that could be impacting their rehabilitation. And so we found really fascinating things when we looked at the data and modeled it statistically like having access to reliable transportation was statistically speaking the difference between living in an assisted care facility versus living independently. And so, you know, for me it was sort of like mind blown, right? Like, you know, my, you know, because it’s like having a car, right? Or access to consistent transportation was the difference between being able to be independent after an injury. And, and being in an assisted care facility, because having a car obviously allows you to get to your appointments and to engage in all of the rehabilitative things that are gonna make an appreciable difference in that process. And so that was the, that was the first part. And we didn’t even use resilience at the time, but it was a resilience study.
Dr. Taryn Marie (03:37):
It was looking at the factors that bolstered people’s resilience after a neurological injury. And then the second part of that has been a really personal journey. And I have been a survivor, you know, like to even say like thriver after, after trauma, I had a stalker in, in high school who came many times to our family’s home. Over the course of the four years that I was in high school, his behavior escalated each time that he, that he came and I developed a post traumatic stress disorder and had a diagnosable level of post traumatic stress disorder for just about two decades, maybe, maybe a little bit more. And, and also in my travels and my journey you know, the first significant relationships that I was in the, my first marriage was a tremendously abusive as many people who are survivors who have experienced trauma, it’s, I never felt safe.
Dr. Taryn Marie (04:47):
I didn’t feel protected. And sometimes an abusive relationship and the way that someone who is abusive in a relationship shows up as initially very protective and very controlling and that can feel, that can feel like security. And so between those two things having a diagnosable level of post traumatic stress disorder for about two decades and being in this abusive relationship that ultimately threatened my life, I also looked at myself and said you know, what, what are the factors that are allowing me to be resilient or detracting from my own personal resilience? And that has really informed this, this journey that I’ve been on. Because as I’ve thought about my, my patients who initially taught me about resilience, you know, I’ve, I’ve wanted to know, you know, for the, for the rest of us, we’re not all going to sustain neurological injuries.
Dr. Taryn Marie (05:48):
And thank goodness for that. But or, and we all will face and do face and are currently facing a challenge change and a level of complexity in our lives. And so in those moments if we know what the factors are that are gonna make us more resilient, just as we learned that one of those factors for people that have sustained traumatic brain injuries is having access to reliable transportation. When we face challenge, change and complexity in our lives, you know, what’s, what’s our version of reliable transportation? What’s the, what’s the thing that’s going to make an appreciable difference for us and allow us to be more resilient in those moments? And so that those are really the origin stories of, of how I got really interested in this concept and, and wanted to really understand and candidly be able to harness the power of resilience.
Dr. Taryn Marie (06:46):
Wonderful. Great. Thank you so much for sharing that. And so what is the landscape of resilient leadership look like? So do you work with people on a coaching aspect or I would love for you to just kind of dive into that. Absolutely. You know, so resilience is such an important concept and yet it is, it is so misunderstood or not at all understood. And part of it is, you know, I think there’s just not a clear definition of resilience. And so when I wanted to understand resilience and I thought it was important, you know, what, what do you do to understand something more will, well maybe you Google it nowadays or look it up or look at the definition. And so when I read the definition, I looked up resilience, I think was the first one. And it said you know, to demonstrate resilience.
Dr. Taryn Marie (07:32):
And I thought okay, all right, that works. And so then I like went over to like, you know, resilience, right? And it said, Oh, we to be resilient. And I thought, okay, well, all right, so this is a little circular and you know, so then the next thing you know, starting my career out, you know, as someone who got an advanced degree, right? You know, what do we, what do we do? What do we put stock in? We put stock in research, right? And so then I started to look at the research and what I found was there was quite a bit of research that had been done on, on mindset, right? Like how we think about things in our lives, which is amazing. So you, you or your listeners might be familiar with Carol Dweck, work on growth mindset and this idea of fixed versus growth mindset and then having a growth mindset is more resilient.
Dr. Taryn Marie (08:27):
You know, there’s lots of great research out there on gratitude and, you know, keeping a gratitude journal and how that makes us more resilient because we start when we start looking for things to be grateful for, what that does is retrain our brain to start looking for the things in our lives that are going right as opposed to the things that are going wrong. And then they’d been quite a bit of research done just on environmental, you know, circumstances and changing the environment for people to be more resilient. But what was really missing I would say in terms of understanding what’s really powerful concept of resilience was, was behavior, right? So if we know about resilient thinking relative to mindset what I understood is that we understood almost nothing relative to resilient and doing right or what are the practices or behaviors that facilitate and create resilience.
Dr. Taryn Marie (09:23):
And so for the past decade, I’ve been conducting qualitative research now with hundreds of people and collected thousands of pieces of data asking people a really simple and powerful question. And that simple and powerful question is, and you know, Katie, you may want to think of this, you know, for yourself and for those of you that are listening that you can absolutely reflect on this for you personally. And it’s the idea that, you know, we, we think of a time when we faced, you know, what feels like or what felt like a significant challenge, right? So think of a significant challenge and then what was it we did or we’re doing or are doing in that moment to effectively address that challenge? And that was the question I asked, you know, think of a significant challenge and what did you do or are you doing to effectively address that challenge?
Dr. Taryn Marie (10:16):
And it’s, you know, it’s very relevant of course in these moments with the global pandemic and COBIT 19. But of course, this isn’t the first challenge that any of us have faced. And it certainly won’t be. The, certainly won’t be the last. And so based on that research that I conducted, what came out of that are the bias practices of particularly resilient people where the five behaviors, the five things we can do in those moments when we face challenge in order to, to be more resilient and to effect a better outcome for ourselves. So now we understand just as with my patients in neuropsychology that, you know, access to transportation and reliable transportation made the difference in their rehabilitation. We now know that the five practices of particularly resilient people, those behaviors make a difference in the outcome of our challenges because we’re able to demonstrate more resilient behavior.
Dr. Taryn Marie (11:20):
And I can talk about what those five practices are. So through my work, I’ll just say, because your question was really about offerings, and I think that’s important too. So I had the opportunity for about five years to be at Cigna and to lead all of our global leadership development there and think about how we were developing our leaders in that company across the globe. And then I went to Nike and I was heading up executive development for the top 400 leaders there and vice presidents and the executive team. And so now I have my own company resilience leadership which is on not only bringing these tools and skills and experiences, you know, that have typically been for sort of the few, right, not that, not the many highly successful executives to really bring this knowledge, this experiences, you know, to, to the many to people.
Dr. Taryn Marie (12:11):
And then also to be able to share the five practices of particularly resilient people are what are the five things that contribute to our resilience in important and fundamental ways. And I’ll talk about those five practices in just a moment. And the way that I do that sort of the vehicles for that are well, you know, we’re in this, this moment of, of covert, right? And so most, most, if not all of my work was, was in person, right? Private prior to quarantine or, or sheltering in place. And so I’ve had this tremendous opportunity to, to not only like talk the resilience talk, but to walk the resilience walk and to redefine how I bring this work, you know, to people not only in person but, but now online. And so I do executive coaching on the five practices of particularly resilient people to develop resilience and leadership.
Dr. Taryn Marie (13:11):
I do group coaching where I either work with, you know, a team of people or people from different companies, profits and nonprofit organizations to do group or leverage coaching, which is really wonderful because then we all work together to learn around the five practices of particularly resilient people to up level one another to, to co elevate around resilience and co elevate, by the way, is that a term coined by my dear friend and colleague Keith Ferazi, who’s coming out with a new book called leading without authority. He’s phenomenal. So you know, working together in groups and teams allows us to all get better. [inaudible] As Keith says, I do top team effectiveness within an organization. So I’ll work with executive teams on their, on their resilience. I’m also working with a variety of entrepreneurs and founders and startups, which is so exciting and a variety of new entrepreneurs because as we know, you know, when you’re founding a company, starting a company, running a company, you know, resilience is incredibly important to be able to stay the course and to be sustainable as a leader. And I’m also in the process of developing a series of, of online courses that will allow people to, to access this content at will. And you know, with the times that we’re in with the global pandemic as well, I’ve been working with a number of other platforms like Happify and an easy mindful to license content to those platforms. So more people have access to this work. So those will be coming out as well. And I’ve got a book coming out probably next year, 2021
Katie (15:01):
Congratulate. Yeah, that’s a lot of it. Very exciting stuff coming up in the future. And so you’ve mentioned kind of that these times that we’re living in are obviously unprecedented for for most people. And I, you know, this, we’re recording this during the quarantine. This might come out when we’re out of quarantine, but I think that the ripple effect of this global pandemic will, we’ll be feeling it for a long time to come. And I would love to kind of hear your perspective on how leadership is, how you think leadership will change when we come kind of back to normal or hopefully to a better normal, it’s throughout this global pandemic.
Dr. Taryn Marie (15:37):
My gosh, that’s such an amazing question and I’m so excited to talk about how I think leadership will change. You know, I think, I think the first thing is, Katie, one of the myths and truths of resilience or one of the myths of resilience is that we bounce back. You know, we, we use that phrase a lot without even really thinking about it. And, and the truth is with all the research that I’ve done on resilience is that we don’t bounce back. You know, we are, we are fundamentally and forever changed by every experience that we have in our lives. And certainly by this global pandemic, we’re all all changing and evolving a great deal. And so we will, we will bounce forward from this, you know, meaning we’re not going to go back, we’re not going to go back to work. We’re going to go forward.
Dr. Taryn Marie (16:21):
And we have the opportunity to craft what that, what that looks like, what that go forward looks like. And I think it’s going to be different than the landscapes that we’ve seen in the past. And one of the things is we’ve, we’ve proven to ourselves that we actually can be quite productive and run many of our businesses and do our work and in some cases even more efficiently not in an office. You know, so I, I think one of the changes that we’re going to see of course, is a large scale change, both out of necessity of, of not being able to bring people together in large crowds for a period of time. But also in terms of like maybe shedding some of these really high priced like corporate office spaces in favor of remote and virtual work. So I think that’s one of the significant changes that we’ll find ourselves embracing.
Dr. Taryn Marie (17:18):
And then in that moment, our leadership will need to evolve, or we’ll have, we’ll say, we’ll have the opportunity to evolve to meet those changing times, these changing times. And what that means for leaders is, you know, we, we will rely less on our, in person interactions, right? And we will rely more on the connections that we create in a virtual environment. And so what that means is that we will need to be more adapt as leaders around three things. The first one is connection, which is actually the third practice of particularly resilient people. So we will need to be more adept at connecting with people online. And in virtuals in virtual spaces and to develop and maintain relationships even where we’re not physically able to, to connect. So that’s the first thing is connection. The second is trust. You know, we know how important trust is in our work relationships and our relationships with our clients.
Dr. Taryn Marie (18:28):
And being able to engender and develop trust again, you know, in an environment where we may not be meeting with people in person is going to be incredibly important. And so being able to demonstrate our credibility, being able to deliver and show up in the ways that we, that we promise to deliver and show up. We’ll, we’ll send the message to our teams, to our colleagues, to our clients, you know, that we are trustworthy. And the, and the third, a significant way that will have the opportunity to evolve as leaders is I believe through a demonstration of greater empathy. And what that means is through this connection that we have with people to be able to feel acutely and intuitively what people are experiencing. And you know, one of the ironic things about, you know, sheltering in place in quarantine is, you know, when we were, when so many of us, I won’t speak for, for anyone or all of us, but you know, when so many of us were out in the world, it was so easy not to see people, even though, you know, we were, we were physically present so often we were psychologically absent.
Dr. Taryn Marie (19:46):
And I think one of the really beautiful things that’s coming out of this time is now that we’re quarantined, we’re, we’re in large part physically absent from each other, but there’s this tremendous opportunity to be more psychologically present and to demonstrate more empathy and listening and a sense of, of true feeling, not only for our own experience but for the feelings of others. So I think as we evolve as leaders, it’s really going to be about connection, trust and empathy.
Katie (20:16):
I love that. That’s wonderful. And I think one thing that I’ve also noticed a lot is kind of the different messaging that we’re hearing from companies and different leaders. Some people are putting on a brave face and you know, just kind of being stoic. Other people are being very open about how they’re feeling and being very transparent. Then you had an interesting post on your website about vulnerability and how it’s the cornerstone of authentic leadership. And so I’d love to hear your perspective on how being can actually
Dr. Taryn Marie (20:48):
Be, you know, something that’s good for leadership. Absolutely. So, you know, going back to sort of this idea that there’s a number of myths that are surrounding resilience. You know, one of the myths around resilience is that resilience is about toughness. Resilience is about being unaffected by something. And in fact, we know that that’s simply not true, right? Resilience is not about being untouched by it. By challenge. Resilience is not about getting harder in the face of challenge. Resilience is about allowing ourselves to be touched, allowing ourselves to be impacted and changed by our experience. And rather than, you know, that that impact hardening us resilience is about allowing ourselves to soften. And you know, when I think about vulnerability, many people still associate vulnerability with weakness. Despite the fact that Bernie Brown and others have done so much great work here to talk about vulnerability being a really positive trait in both in leadership and in life.
Dr. Taryn Marie (22:07):
And yes, to your point, vulnerability is the cornerstone of authentic interaction, of authentic connection and certainly of authentic leadership. And so if you just think about, you know, your authentic self, you can’t be authentic without some level of vulnerability without some, you know, some, some sharing of yourself at a deep and personal level. And so rather than vulnerability being being weakness, vulnerability is about strength. It’s about being strong, not untouchable, right? Not hard but it’s about having the strength to bring ourselves forward wholly and completely. And so vulnerability is the, the first practice of particularly resilient people that came out in my research and it’s the idea of allowing our inside self, right? What we’re thinking, feeling to align with to match the outside self that we show the world. And when those two selves, our inside self and our outside self, when those are disparate, when those are not connected, we’re less resilient because we’re expending energy trying to maintain two personas, trying to mean to maintain two operating systems.
Dr. Taryn Marie (23:29):
And in the midst of challenge, change and complexity, if we’re not bringing forward who we truly are, if we’re not sharing what we’re truly going through then we’re not able to as easily or as readily impact the challenge that we’re facing by being able to receive the information, the resources, you know, the relationships that we need to effectively address challenge. And so vulnerability is tremendously important in challenge and it, and in these uncertain times, not only for ourselves but also in terms of how we’re showing up for other people. And so I think vulnerability makes a significant difference because when we’re vulnerable, you know, it goes back to connection, trust and empathy. When we’re vulnerable we know that we develop deeper connections with people when we’re vulnerable. People know and believe to a greater degree that they can trust us.
Dr. Taryn Marie (24:37):
You know, when we’re vulnerable, that allows a greater empathy for ourselves. It allows us to expand the aperture of our own empathy for others. And it allows people to offer us empathy for our own experiences and circumstances. And so, so as a leader, right through the demonstration of vulnerability, you know, then we engender these, these things, this trust, this connection, this empathy that we know is incredibly important for leading teams, for connecting with clients. And you know, the other thing that I’ll say about it about vulnerability is that it’s really hard. You know, it’s, it’s difficult to be vulnerable when I’m giving keynote addresses and, and speaking to audiences, you know, people often come up to me because I’ve been doing this work for awhile and they say, wow, like you, you know, you’re just the right person to be doing this work because, you know, vulnerability comes so naturally to you.
Dr. Taryn Marie (25:36):
And I’m like, Oh no. So for me, you know, you know, give, give the illusion, right? A vulnerability as, as kind of these different candies, right? And so there are some people that that vulnerability comes more naturally to. I of course, I’m not one of them. But you know, these are, these are folks that are like, I like to think of them as like vulnerability, like gummy bears, you know, they’re just like squishy and you know, they, they more easily wear their vulnerability on their sleeve for whatever reason. And the, and then you’ve got, you know, kind of the folks that are like, we’ll call them the blow pops of vulnerability, right? And the, and the folks that are sort of the blue pops of vulnerability, like they’ve got like a hard outer shell, but then, you know, when they warm up to you and you kind of get through that shell, you know, there’s like a piece of gum on the inside, right?
Dr. Taryn Marie (26:23):
Which is, which is chewy, you know, and more vulnerable and easier to access. And then you have people like me, Katie, who are, you know, what I would call the jolly ranchers of vulnerability. And, you know, it’s, you know, vulnerability is just tough for me and for others sometimes all the way through. Right, all the way to the, to the, and you know, for me, you know, being someone who experienced trauma early on in life, right from 14 to 18, I had this stalker person whose behavior was escalating as I was coming into my womanhood. Right. And, and you know, did things like, you know, Kane came to my bedroom window at night, you know, when it was dark outside when I, you know, didn’t know he was there. And I just tried on this like new swimsuit that I got from the gap.
Dr. Taryn Marie (27:13):
I was 15 years old and he was outside my window. This was the second time that he’d come. And I was initially what I was told by the authorities, what we were told by the authorities, you know, the police that the first time that he, he came to the house, they were like, you know, Oh, it’s probably a fluke. It’s probably just kind of someone, you know, Pat passing through the neighborhood. And so every time I felt nervous, right about this first time that he’d kind of come to my window and spoken to me, I said, Oh, you know, just a fluke. You know, it was just someone passing through the neighborhood. It won’t happen again. Well, eight months later, after the, after the first incident, I had just tried on this bikini in my bedroom. I had taken it off so it’s completely naked.
Dr. Taryn Marie (27:52):
And one of the windows in my bedroom on the ground floor, I had it open for, for ventilation. It was June, it was summertime and it was hot outside. And and so there’s just a screen. It was dark out. And then, and then I heard his voice, you know, so creepy. I heard his voice. I still get chills when I say that, and he said, I’ve been waiting a long time for this and I was completely naked. And so, you know, three things became true for me in that moment. One I, I recognized or realized that this was no longer a fluke, right? That this was someone who was targeting me, who was looking forward to this to, you know, I was naked in front of a man at the age of 15 for the first time and three my childhood bedroom, which, you know, could have or, or should have been the safest place, you know, for me or one of those safe places became profoundly unsafe.
Dr. Taryn Marie (28:56):
And I think in large part because of these experiences that I had early on, you know, vulnerability is tough for me. It’s, it’s tough for me to to be seen, right? Vulnerability is about, you know, in part about being seen. And it’s tough for me to be seen because it, it brings up those, you know, those old trauma experiences, those, you know, ways that I want to, to take, you know, sort of control and to not be seen, to not be watched. Because that was frightening. And so, you know, my point is a couple of things, right? One, vulnerability is important and, and it is the cornerstone of authentic leadership. It facilitates these beautiful ways that we have the to evolve and leadership around connection and trust and empathy. And it’s hard, you know, we’ve all had situations where we’ve been vulnerable, you know, whether it’s, you know, something is kind of creepy and, and trauma provoking as the story that I have with a stocker or, or other times, right. Where we’ve been vulnerable and we’ve been hurt and so vulnerability can be really hard. And so it’s a practice that we have the opportunity to actively cultivate.
Katie (30:14):
Yeah. Wow. What an incredible story. Thank you so much for sharing that. I really appreciate that. And you’ve mentioned so many amazing, amazing resources that people can check out to learn more about everything that you’ve talked about. Butters. Is there anything else that you would like to mention, whether it’s books or podcasts or courses or anything out there that’s been beneficial in business and being business owner or just in personal development?
Dr. Taryn Marie (30:37):
Yeah. You know, I’ll say some of the things that have been really instructive for me around resilience. I’ll give you a couple of resources. The first one is my dear friend and, and soul sister in resilience. Her name is Amberley, like the name Amber and then an L Y on the end. Amberley Lago, L. E. G. O. She’s on Instagram as Amberley Lago motivation. And she had this really, I mean, I’ll just call it like her horrific, really like motorcycle accident about a decade ago. And she lives with chronic pain and she is just the most positive, beautiful, effervescent person you’ve ever seen. And she has wonderful strategies for how we demonstrate resilience, hurt her approaches is different than mine and also incredibly effective and important. And so, you know, for folks that want to know more about resilience in addition to the five practices of particularly resilient people and the work that I’m doing, Amberly Lago Amberley Lago is an incredible resource for resilience.
Dr. Taryn Marie (31:51):
So you can find her on Facebook, you can find her on Instagram. And then she has this amazing podcast called true grit and grace, a true grit and grace which is also all about resilience. And she’s interviewing some really incredible people. So I would say she’s an amazing resource. I also love what my friend and colleague Henry Amar is doing. Henry Lamar, his last name is spelled a M. M. A. R. He’s got really a wonderful approach around empowerment. So for women and in entrepreneurs and business founders who are looking to be empowered and to look at your mindset or our mindset and take the next step in terms of shedding unproductive beliefs and really doing deep work on mindset and thinking and taking action to be empowered. Henry Omar’s work on empowerment is really amazing. And the last person that I’ll, that I’ll mention is his name is Brian D. Johnson, Brian D. Johnson, and he has the dreamer dreamer series.
Dr. Taryn Marie (33:07):
And what I love about what Brian’s doing is he talks about the importance of dreaming. He talks about the importance of dreaming big dreams. He’s got an amazing book out called dreamer, and he reminds people to never stop going after the, the dreams that we have in life to, to not live. Complacently. And you know, there’s a moment maybe where that might sound a little, a little tone deaf, right? If you’re listening to me say that, and maybe you’re in quarantine or you’re sheltering in place. But you know, when I think about it, you know, this is actually the best time to be dreaming or one of the best times to be dreaming because we can start to craft, you know, how we want to live our lives differently. You know, quarantine won’t last forever. Nothing. You know, nothing stays the same, right? The only kind of constant in life is change.
Dr. Taryn Marie (33:59):
And so using this time to really create a 10 year vision or a five year vision and put down on paper like, what are our big dreams and how do we want to live our lives? And, and maybe even recognizing that, like, we stopped dreaming and how do we bring that back online? So, so Brian Brian D Johnson’s an amazing resource for that. All of those in the show notes. So everybody can check those out. And I would love if you could share how everybody could find and connect with you online. Yeah. you know, I love connecting with people on resilience. I’m a big resilience nerd. Actually a good friend of mine we D we developed a new thing. Katie, I hope you like this. We developed a thing so you know how people say, say Nama stay right.
Dr. Taryn Marie (34:46):
They say, ah, the light, you know, the light in me season and respects and honors the light in you. Okay. My, my friend Jason tan and I developed something called nerd nerd. Ms. Day nerd mistake. The nerd in me sees and respects the nerd in you. So even if even if you’re not a nerd or resilience nerd and you just want to know more about resilience, I would love, love, love, love to connect with you. I’ve got a ton of free resources. I have a zillion articles that I’ve written on resilience, free free videos. I post all the podcasts that I’ve been a part of on my website which is resilience with a C resilience-leadership.com. I’m also posting quite regularly on Instagram as dr Taryn T, a, R Y N a, Marie, M, a, R, I, E. Which will be in the show notes and I’ve just gone, I’ve just gone back to Facebook. So I’m, I’m on Facebook now more as well. So come to the website, you know, have a look around sign up for our regular communication, you know, become a resilience insider and you know, come, come grab me on social media and let’s continue the conversation on resilience. Perfect. Thank you so much.
Katie (36:10):
We’re sharing that. I’ll link to everything in the show notes. Everybody can get to that easily. And thank you so much for coming on the show today and sharing those valuable insights and your story as well. I so appreciate it.
Dr. Taryn Marie (36:20):
Oh, it’s such an honor to be here, Katie, really to spend time with you. And maybe if I could just close with a quote, if you’re open to that. So, you know, I know your, your podcast is, is all about the hustle. So your podcast is all about, you know, the hustle, the hustle, Nanex of life. And hustle of course is a very important but not necessarily like a new concept. Right? And so what I thought was interesting when I was preparing for our time together today is like over 150 years ago, Abraham Lincoln actually said things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle. So Abraham Lincoln was talking about the importance of hustle, the value of hustle, you know, 150 years ago, or maybe, maybe even more. And I have this favorite quote by Langston Hughes that I’d like to share in closing which, which goes like this gather out of star dust, earth dust, cloud dust, storm dust, and splinters of hail one handful of dream dust, not for sale. And so what I would leave you with around this beautiful quote from Langston Hughes is that dreaming is beautiful and needed and resilience is important on the journey. And all of that is free. And what will determine ultimately success is the hustle. So the dreams are free and the hustle is sold separately.
Katie (38:02):
Yes. I love that. Thank you so much for sharing that, and I’ve so enjoyed our conversation. Thank you again.
Dr. Taryn Marie (38:08):
Thank you for having me.
